I Got Some Questions Ovah Heah....

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I’ve been thinking about the immediate future of this site, lately. I start shooting my movie in about three weeks, and when that happens, I go bye-bye for two and half months.

Well, maybe if I’m not totally dead on the weekends, I can throw an update on, but it’s gonna be a dark stretch…and then there’s post. That’s almost worse.

I’m sort of in denial about it, so rather than try and solve that little problem right now, I think I’ll just answer some questions. Yeah. That will solve everything…

Q: I recently joined a group of writers who wanted to write a script. It started out as an “exercise”. We got along very well….wrote a pilot and are confident it is good enough to sell. We had it copyrighted and registered it with the Writers Guild. I am the “creator” of the idea. Five of us wrote the pilot. Who really owns the pilot? or the “Idea”? All of us? We are now writing a new episode and there are only three of us involved. Do all five continue to benefit if the sitcom is sold? or do we have to copyright each episode? Or do we just sell the idea (if someone wants it) and move on - all benefiting financially?

A: Arrghhh.

I get these questions a lot. It’s natural. Writing collaborations are a bit like spontaneous sexual connections. People sort of bang into each other in the heat of the moment, and then try and sort out the responsibilities and ramifications after the deed is done.

In the case described above, the “idea” doesn’t really confer “created by” in any real sense. Ideas aren’t ownable. A story, however, is. If the questioner had written a story, and then he and four other writers cowrote the dramatization (i.e. script) of that story, we’d have something to delineate. That’s not what happened though.

Since five people wrote the pilot script including the story contained therein, then the Five should be considered the “creators” of the “series.”

Any ensuing episodes should be judged as scripts written by those three people, but based on the characters and story created by the Five.

Generally speaking, show creators do benefit from the continued production of episodes of the show they created (via the pilot).

But you know what?

Here’s a nutty wacky thought.

HIRE A LAWYER BEFORE YOU DO STUFF LIKE THIS.

Let’s say you were planning on starting a business selling clothing to people. Four other people wanted to get into business with you.

You’d hire a lawyer.

Hire a freakin’ lawyer.

Folks, all sorts of misery and tears and yelling and ruined friendships can be avoided by being clear up front about what the reality of the arrangement is.

Or, if you really want to protect yourself, do what I do.

Write alone.

Q: So here it is: how are writers how are credited as producers, or supervising producers, or execs, contracted? are they doing separate agreements under WGA jurisidction or does the wga recognize those producer credits?

the reason I’m asking is that the producer association up here (in Canada) is resisting the whole idea of writer-producers; I’m not sure how it’s going to play out but I was hoping someone could give me an idea of how it works in the U.S. where it seems people know how to make television.

A: WGA writing credits are for writing only.

Writers can also produce (I produce my movies, for instance, and many television writers also serve as producers on the shows they write), but the money they are paid for producing is not subject to Guild terms, nor are producing credits determined by the WGA.

There is a producing association here that’s also miffed about the proliferation of producing credits. Amusingly, the quote on their front page (from Hawk Koch) is all about how everything starts with a good story and script…but whatever.

Point is, they don’t like the watering down of their credit, and to an extent, they have a point. Certain producing credits are handed out like bon bons or door prizes. Still, I staunchly defend my right as a writer-producer to hold that title.

Because I actually do produce.

As such, I’m in favor of standards that help define what those credits mean, but I’m against any kind of blanket ban on hyphenates.

Q:I am a full-time newspaper reporter who wrote a story that recently caught the eye of a major studio. I know this because a friend of mine who works at that studio is the one who tipped them to my piece to begin with. So my newspaper obviously owns the story (including the notes, the drafts, etc.) and I am not a character in the article, meaning I canÂ’t benefit from it being optioned (I think). However, is there any other way I can become involved in this project To put the question in the American parlance: Is there anything in it for me? IÂ’d love to write a screenplay based on the article, but seeing as how IÂ’ve never attempted that I highly doubt the studio would tender such, no matter how many decades IÂ’ve been a professional writer. Knowing this general framework, can you suggest what, if any, role there is for me in this? Is there, for example, a job where I help the professional screenwriter craft the script? (If thereÂ’s a term for this I apologize.) When screenwriters work together does one perhaps just deal with the narrative structure, details and storyline? (This I could do.)

A: If you want to be a screenwriter, I suggest writing a good screenplay.

Seems like obvious advice, but just like overweight people (and I’m one of ‘em) who just refuse to accept the whole “eat less an exercise” thing, there are loads of people who are positive that there’s a way to game themselves into becoming a screenwriter.

There is not.

First off, your initial premise may be incorrect. If you write a newspaper article overseas (and you imply you’re not American), I suspect that you do retain copyright in some fashion. You may also retain film rights. I don’t know.

If you do, then you can benefit by receiving a fee for the film rights.

If you don’t, then here’s what you can do.

You can ask the studio if you could pretty pretty please write a screenplay adaptation of your article. For the least amount required. And you’ll get it to them really, really fast.

Then write a very good screenplay.

If you do, chances are that you can be a screenwriter.

If you don’t, chances are that you can’t.

No, there aren’t arrangements where one person deals with the stuff in the article, and the other person does all the “easy” stuff like dramatization, characterization, dialogue and scenario.

Dude, that’s the hard stuff. Anyone who has read your article now has everything you’ve offered…so why do they need to carry your weight?

Q: Why do screenwriters (or whoever is holding the gun to their heads) have to overplot movies? This is a common complaint for me, but watching Red Planet is what prompted me to write. It’s not enough to have 4 astronauts stranded on Mars (how will they get home?) or a good mystery ( why is there suddenly oxygen on Mars?). Either one of those could make for a great movie (the first one already did). But on top of all this, they have to add a rogue killer robot. One plot point to many, and it topples over into silliness. A potentially great movie, good cast, etc., and 7 years later it’s late night viewing on cable and a punchline (if anyone thinks of it at all).

A: It happens because it’s easy.

First of all, can I just point out that the state of email writing is pretty bad?

There is a pressure from studios to “raise the stakes.” It’s a phrase every screenwriter has heard a million times. “Raising the stakes” is the dramatic equivalent of monosodium glutamate. It’s a cheap way to goose the audience. Still, lots of people enjoy it. Personally, I’m with you. Endlessly raised stakes can feel empty and silly, particularly when they don’t seem to flow naturally from the central character’s thematic needs and growth.

On top of that, you have the demands of the sequel. One must outdo the movie that came before it, lest the audience feel “cheated.” This is an odd way of looking at sequels, if you ask me. The audience will never feel cheated if they are enjoying an engrossing, well-told story with a fresh narrative and interesting characters tackling engaging themes.

That’s not as easy for a studio to understand, however, as MORE.

This is why superhero movies so frequently fall victim to the “two villains…no, THREE villains…no, FIVE villains!” theory of sequeling.

I was so happy when Spiderman 2 managed to stick with a one villain format. Spiderman 3 definitely suffered from three villains. Overkill to be sure, but it’s all about insecurity.

At some point, these movies become so expensive and so critical to the corporations producing them, security begins to override creative restraint.

Curiously, this often backfires.

Funny world we live in.

Okay, that’s all for now. When I come back up for air, I’ll answer a few more of the backlogged questions.

23 Comments

Tim W. said:

I recently had a discussion about sequels with a friend. My theory is the people behind the movie (whether it be the studio, the producers or even the director) get `epic fever’. I think the Matrix movies is the perfect example of what goes wrong with sequels. One of the great things about the first Matrix movie was that it was an intimate, self contained story that hinted at a much bigger story. You heard about Zion, but didn’t see it. The cast was relatively small, as was the story. With the next two movies, the Wachowski brothers seemed to want to tell us EVERYTHING. They wanted to turn an intimate movie into an epic and it simply didn’t work. The number of characters, storylines and sets multiplied. It became something totally different.

The Star Wars trilogy is another great example. The original trilogy followed, basically, this small group of rebels as they fought against Darth Vader, who was this mysterious figure. There were all kinds of questions that went unanswered. To me, that was the beauty of it. We didn’t NEED to know who Vader was, or how it all started. Lucas, however, had created all this backstory that he just desperately needed to tell, when it should have been left as backstory. The latest trilogy just tried to get too big and answer every question.

Sometimes a story needs mystery, and sometimes the makers can get too much money to spend. George Lucas was at his best when he had little money to spend and had to concentrate on a small, intimate story. Eventually, everything thinks they need to save the universe, I guess.

Jon Raymond said:

Yes, The Matrix and Star Wars films were all disappointing after the first film. You simply cannot live up to the greatness of that first original idea. If you could, you’d have a whole new story.

Alex Epstein said:

“The reason I’m asking is that the producer association up here (in Canada) is resisting the whole idea of writer-producers.”

This is changing. I think the best producers in Canada are coming around to the US system of hiring a showrunner, or already have. There’s a lot of friction along the way — they don’t want to give up control. But if you have a good track record and a good idea, and stand firm in your contract negotiations, you can run your own show. Just be up front when you take the idea to the producer that that’s what you want to do, and be prepared to educate them, over and over, in how it works in the States.

Craig:

On the 2nd question, the Bold option turns off mid-question.

Thought you should know…

Andy Badeker said:

Craig, I’d be willing to guest-edit Artful while you’re occupied with your producer duties, with the understanding that instead of insights into professional screenwriting we’d have to branch out into maintenance of gravel roads, best practices regarding barbecued spareribs and the risks of quitting a decent day job prematurely.

I’d have no problem keeping the name Artful Writer, of course. And I’ll bet Ted and all your correspondents with actual credits could boost the screenwriting content, if that’s a concern.

Well, you think about it …

Blue Ball Bomb said:

Craig, I think i have a question that’s better than anyone else:

If you guys in these co-ops actually deliver a couple of hits, do you think it might re-spark the spec market for all writers? Particularly me?

Well, I think it’s obvious that this site might be inactive for awhile so I though it’d be nice for all of us to show our appreciation and let Craig know what we’ve learned from this site. I’ll start:

  • All Working Writers Don’t Get Along.

  • When A Group Of Writers Get A Deal It Somehow Affects Other Writers…wait, no it doesn’t…

  • There’s A Conspiracy Inside The WGA

  • Don’t Fuck With Ted Elliot’s Knowledge Of The WGA!

  • Don’t Fuck With Cormac Wibberly’s Wife!

  • Anonymous May All Be One Person.

  • The Quill Is Gay.

  • Craig Mazin and Josh Olson Are The Reed Richards and Doctor Doom of Professional Screenwriting

Anyone else learn anything?

Johnny Hartmann said:

I just did…but if I say it it’ll be deleted.

Garrett said:

Craig,

Good luck with the movie.

Regarding your absence, have you considered turning over the site to some members of your professional inner circle for “Guest Columns”?

Could be a great way to keep the site vital while you’re away and get some new perspectives and insights.

Ugo said:

[blockquote]I’ve been thinking about the immediate future of this site, lately.[/blockquote]

FARM IT, BABY!

Craig Mazin and Josh Olson Are The Reed Richards and Doctor Doom of Professional Screenwriting

Which is which, and why?

Anon said:

Spiderman 3 failed (story-wise) because Raimi had no interest in including Venom - it was thrown in because producers insisted it was what the fans wanted. Raimi didn’t and didn’t have any passion for the character. Remove the Venom subplot and you have a better film.

The Matrix sequels failed because the filmmakers had told the story they wanted to with the first film and there was no need for a sequel; not until the studio wanted to make more money, that is.

Terminator 2 and Aliens were better films than their predecessors because the makers of those sequels had the desire to tell a continuing story and not simply cash in by crapping out sequel after lame sequel. Same goes with The Empire Strikes Back. Goodness knows there are franchises out there that need to be put out of their misery… many before the number 3 was proposed in the title.

Johnny Hartmann said:

“Terminator 2 and Aliens were better films than their predecessors because…

…both were written and directed by James Cameron.

Besides the fact that T2 was actually not as great as The Terminator.

Also written and directed by James Cameron.

Craig is Reed Richards. He’s smart, generally means well, truly wants the world to get along, and his wife is really hot. However, unlike Reed Richards, Craig really isn’t all that stretchy. A bit doughy, though.

Josh is Doctor Doom. He’s also pretty smart but uses his intellect for destruction and mayhem. He thrives for chaos and will never admit when he’s wrong. Oh, and he’s pure fucking evil.

Tom Corwine said:

“…we�d have to branch out into maintenance of gravel roads, best practices regarding barbecued spareribs…”

Hell Andy, start your own blog.

Scott L said:

I know this from reading the site:

Writers get paid for writing more than I could ever earn in my job.

The guy who wrote ‘Scary Movie 4’ is actually an articulate, intelligent guy who can write.

Andy Badeker said:

“Hell Andy, start your own blog.”

I would, Tom, but I prefer to parasitize the success of others.

Andy

Smooth sailing through directing the Movie, Craigster.

And I completely understand if you want us to call you Sky-God Mazin from now on. ;-)

Dave Olden said:

I wish you a miraculously low shooting ratio, and results that exceed your best hopes.

Cheers, Craig.

Dave O

mikespeakman said:

This site is too important to be delayed by a mere Hollywood film.

mikespeakman said:

…unless aforementioned film has lots of gratuitous nudity…

ejm said:

As far as producer-writer hypenates in Canada, I’m not entirely sure if the producer association is actively against it; it could be just a case of the individual producer being bullish on the idea. Canadian producers fancy themselves often as creatives in their own right and are likely not interested in cutting up their fees. But as far as the contracting itself, it works the same way in Canada as it does in the States (as explained by Craig).

Tutz said:

I am so discouraged by the business. I think gay men run the whole damn thing! I can’t get a package approved. Is it some old mens’ club? What if I ended my life over you excluding me from the business? Would you finally get a conscience?

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